[om-council] i586
Kate Lebedeff
kate at lebedeff.co.uk
Mon Apr 25 06:26:30 EDT 2016
I am not defending i586:)
looking for a neat way out or extra hands to keep it
> On 25Apr, 2016, at 12:22, Tomasz Gajc <tpgxyz at gmail.com> wrote:
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> People with low income, buys Raspberry Pi 0,1 or 2
>
> See only 5$ for a working computer
> http://www.microcenter.com/product/457746/Raspberry_Pi_Zero <http://www.microcenter.com/product/457746/Raspberry_Pi_Zero>
>
> 2016-04-25 12:15 GMT+02:00 Kate Lebedeff <kate at lebedeff.co.uk <mailto:kate at lebedeff.co.uk>>:
> Mmmm, i586 is normally needed by the users with lowest income:(
>
> Tomek, how many people “full time” so to say we’d need to maintain i586?
>
> If new volunteers?
>
>
>
>> On 25Apr, 2016, at 12:05, Tomasz Gajc <tpgxyz at gmail.com <mailto:tpgxyz at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Fedora droped ix86 support in august 2015. Maybe introducing "pay per support" feature would change minds ?
>>
>>
>> 2016-04-25 11:30 GMT+02:00 Kate Lebedeff <kate at lebedeff.co.uk <mailto:kate at lebedeff.co.uk>>:
>> What do you think guys and gal, when is the right time to raise i586 topic?
>>
>> Imo we should make it clear that we simply lack resources. We _do_wish_ to continue support, but then we need XX volunteers with YY skills and call for them to join.
>> Unless it happens till ZZ time - we drop support
>>
>> There is a disadvantage here. If volunteers do not come - this will be all bad PR for us
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 23Apr, 2016, at 12:23, rugyada <rugyada at gmail.com <mailto:rugyada at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> > 2016-04-23 1:10 GMT+02:00 Bernhard Rosenkraenzer <bero at lindev.ch <mailto:bero at lindev.ch>>:
>> >>
>> >> At the same time, we haven't been able to pull in many new contributors to
>> >> take their places. I think that's because we're invisible to the outside
>> >> world, and most people don't want to work on something nobody uses.
>> >>
>> >
>> > This is the point I wish to stress.
>> > Timing matters. Or we're ready with OM3 tomorrow, or without support
>> > or refresh/respin for OM2 the risk is to disappear.
>> > From PR (**my field**) POV OMLx2 respin release could do the trick for
>> > increasing (better: getting again) the buzz around our project.
>> >
>> >
>> >> And to make things worse, this sort of thing is a self-amplifying problem:
>> >> We have less manpower, but at the same time people expect us to do more and
>> >> more (this isn't meant as an attack as people who have been calling on us to
>> >> do more - but how can we, despite a small and shrinking team, ramp up our
>> >> efforts and: support another CPU type, keep supporting an old release, add
>> >> another desktop, ...?)
>> >> This doesn't exactly help, and being screamed at when saying we won't do
>> >> something doesn't exactly help keep people motivated. (With the "screamed
>> >> at", I'm not talking about people here doing the screaming - but some people
>> >> on mailing lists don't really understand why we won't commit to doing some
>> >> things that they thought made Mandrake great back in its days).
>> >>
>> >
>> > Imho we need to be clear and not to be ashamed to say we're a small team.
>> > As said before we should be proud of our really great work even in
>> > such hard condition.
>> >
>> > Another thing: be decisive! Strong in our positions.
>> > If we as a project/team agreed on taking any decision, then it's like
>> > that. Because we discussed it, considered every option, and ended to
>> > that outcome and no other - until/unless the situation gets better.
>> >
>> > Do you """want""" a f... support for i586? Move your bottoms and contribute!
>> > Do you """need""" this or that? Be ready to join and help!
>> >
>> > We have a saying here, telling "Armiamoci e partite" I cannot find the
>> > translation in English, you can read it like a person exhorting his
>> > soldiers to pick the weapons and prepare for the battle together, but
>> > then: they will leave for the war and he remains at home peacefully :P
>> >
>> > This is to say that [quoting JCL] who does, decides.
>> > It's nice and wise to listen to community, yes, but we are not paid
>> > employees, we are free to decide what to do and what we *cannot* do.
>> > Or also what we simply don't like to do.
>> > It could avoid some burnout too.
>> > I'd rather say also if/when time of decisions about anything will
>> > come, keep an eye on our own interest, that is on what may be/become
>> > source of some money/support/whatever (you got what I mean) for the
>> > present and in perspective for our future.
>> >
>> > Sorry if this may look kind of drastic, but it's matter of survival :)
>> > Keep calm and take it easy. it's ready when it's ready.
>> >
>> > Let's make our things without any rush, let's take our time to do the
>> > things we like the way we like because we do it for our fun and
>> > enjoyment.
>> > Otherwise people are going to lose their motivation and say Goodbye!.
>> > Often they don't say goodbye even... :)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ____________________
>> > Best regards,
>> > Cristina
>> >
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