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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">--force-key (for updating
the key signature or something, if you read the man, do you see it
..)<br>
<br>
and i go along with you Luca, so +1 as a snapshot from the
actually/updatet 2014 ..<br>
all other is play around with dirty stuff like beta and not stable
stuff.. .. something <br>
like grub beta it's totally unreality and unnecessary, we need a
stable stuff to trade as OMLx for our Distro..<br>
all other it is a try to make negative and not a right thinking
about.. and childish to think and to say, <br>
"why, we have the the newest stuff and i have all done for.., what
it is wrong on it ??? "<br>
Wrong it is, to mean .. no, i want nobody attacking , particular
not they are who programming us stuff..<br>
I only want to say what strikes me, and this is just this what i
say, i don't need a unstable with <br>
many bugs betasoftware where it's the beta from the producer and
unstable and makes <br>
all bugish in all corner in the distribution, we need a well
working software and not the <br>
greenest ricecorn of the ricefield , where it is not able to eat .<br>
(and i want not hear, but why, we have the freshest corn of the
rice, because this is NOT eat able ! <br>
if i allow me to give this comparison )<br>
<br>
-----quote-TPG------------------------------------------<br>
urpmi has one big design flaw, install/update/remove processes are
run in user session. <br>
This means if anything will kill session install/update/remove of
rpm will be cancelled. <br>
Finally this means user will get a black screen it VT with prompt.<br>
---------------------------------------<br>
<br>
this is wrong imho.<br>
user session as su and su it is the administrator privileges<br>
if this not work like it should work it's something wrong. <br>
Because the Standard it is to work as root and not directly as
user<br>
and it is adjustable, or should be in drakconf (under
security-config), <br>
works this not, it is bug..ed or wrong reprogrammed. and should be
have an work <br>
again for correcting to configuring in drakconf.. <br>
(or should it be buged???????? (only a question.. in serious !) )<br>
<br>
The NM integration it is a really good work, well done ! but why i
<br>
don't see a link in the drakconf from the netmanager too <br>
(as independent Networkconfiguration by side of the netcenter as <br>
"Network Manager" for configuring the networkstack from Drakconf )
, <br>
as further possibility to configuration the network stack in <br>
drakconf .. i don't use the f... walled of KDE for the
network-stack <br>
and i want not depending from one WindowManager like KDE/Plasma<br>
the Network Manager should able to use independent from any WM <br>
to be able configurable in any wm, in my opinion for the Linux
System, it meant Kernel and bash.. <br>
(and in the bash it's now possible and works really nice :) , like
it! ) So, why not move at icon <br>
from the NetworkManager in Drakconf, this is the original and
normally Standart configuration <br>
Center of Mandrake, Mandriva! So why not in OpenMandriva, want
this anyone not /want this anyone not support ?<br>
<br>
Also the Name of the Computer, should be also again configurable
in Network & </font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Internet</font> again,
because at moment it is not.<br>
So, imho, we should have a Beta with well working Programs and a
good together working packets<br>
in one distribution .. and not alpha/beta rpm-packets where make
at all more unstable like it should be.. (for a beta,
please(common)...)<br>
i want have a well running and stable system .. where i can also
installing in a Server.. <br>
and can support therefore also the community with my making money
as Provider <br>
(i guess i can it not say more clean if i see the server-try to
have- thing (by the way, we want make a Server-Distribution ????)
) <br>
So, w.t.f. (sorry for the hard word, but this is my feel at
moment) <br>
<br>
do you thinking by take betasoftware as fresh rpm's for a should
be stable Distro <br>
although we actually what stable to have/need for a to do stable
Distribution ?<br>
<br>
i can not often enough to say, Mandrake, Mandriva<br>
should has a RPM-Online-Installer and a MCC (so drakconf)<br>
and should be independent from the Window manager as
configuration.<br>
only as a small statement from me and what strikes me .<br>
<br>
and as last point, i stay fully behind Luca and MIB <br>
<br>
(with a small other .. the well running 2014 should not brunch, <br>
should be only hold up to date with stable sources in rpm and if
it's <br>
prove as stable should it move in the uptate/stable brunch for
have <br>
at all every a running update and every further new versions, <br>
stable packages and well running system and by the update+ the
updatet rpm's to be belong on the time ;)<br>
So, snapshot from a stable-brunch, more extra small bugfixing and
kick it out as new Version-snapshoot where <br>
it is clean-est to install and well working on CD/install-iso as
Version XX.XX of OMDV with online installer <br>
and a small snapshot from the snapshot system on CD for liveCD ..
(also for distributing and with 4 Gig it's many possible)<br>
and the <br>
mini-distribution with basesystem+recovery-possibility's for grub2
and linuxsystem(bashtools) ,wayland+calamares only with
rpm-online-installer .. only as suggestion )<br>
<br>
so, like Rugyada told before 3/4 years, the 3 possible repos<br>
gooseskin(or cribleskin,</font><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">indescribable</font></font>
or something), unstable(cooker) and stable. </font><br>
<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><font face="Helvetica,
Arial, sans-serif"> </font><br>
this is my thinking/opinion if i read the last Mails in this
mailing list.<br>
and i guess, i be not the only one where read this and makes his
own thinking there about.<br>
<br>
so, +1 Luca<br>
<br>
best regards<br>
Blacky<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 07.05.2016 um 23:39 schrieb luca
pedrielli:<br>
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<p>In my opinion is time to starting to think of.</p>
<p>I have done some initial tests.</p>
<p>- installed 2014.3 and full updated</p>
<p>- disabled 2014 repos<br>
</p>
<p>- added and enabled cooker repos</p>
<p>- downloaded all needed pkgs in cache( urpmi --auto-update
--no-install --force) because network goes down during update
process(more than 2600 pkgs)<br>
</p>
<p>- keep more than one root konsole because during update
authentication fails</p>
<p>- started update with urpmi --auto-update --force (--force as I
don't know the way to prevent bad key messages)</p>
<p>- process stops with:</p>
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<p>T<tt>he following packages can't be installed because they
depend on packages</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>that are older than the installed ones:</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>lib64KF5DNSSD5-5.21.0-1</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>lib64notesharedprivate5-16.04.0-2</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>lib64knotesprivate5-16.04.0-2</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>The following packages have to be removed for others to
be upgraded:</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>kdepim4-kresources-4.14.10-1-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to unsatisfied kdepim4-core ==
3:4.14.10-1:2014.0)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>korundum-4.14.3-2-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to missing libokularcore.so.5()(64bit),</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> due to missing libsmokeokular.so.3()(64bit))</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>ksendemail-4.14.10-1-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to unsatisfied kdepim4-core ==
3:4.14.10-1:2014.0)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>ktimetracker-4.14.10-1-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to unsatisfied kdepim4-core ==
3:4.14.10-1:2014.0)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>lib64dolphinprivate4-4.14.3-1.1-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to missing libbaloowidgets.so.4()(64bit))</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>lib64fltk0-1.3.2-4-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to conflicts with
lib64fltk1.3-1.3.3-4-omv2015.0.x86_64)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>lib64kadm5clnt_mit9-1.12.5-1-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to unsatisfied krb5 == 1.12.5-1)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>lib64kadm5srv_mit9-1.12.5-1-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to unsatisfied krb5 == 1.12.5-1)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>lib64pulseglib20-5.0-2.1-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to missing libpulsecommon-5.0.so()(64bit))</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>lib64smokeokular3-4.14.3-2-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to missing libokularcore.so.5()(64bit))</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>pinentry-qt4-0.8.2-3-omv2014.0.x86_64</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to unsatisfied pinentry == 0.8.2-3)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>task-kde4-4.14.3-1.1-omv2014.0.noarch</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to missing task-kde4-minimal)</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt>task-kde4-minimal-4.14.3-1.1-omv2014.0.noarch</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> (due to missing distro-kde4-config-common) (y/N) </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> Proceed with the installation of the 2381 packages?
(Y/n) </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> </tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> Installation failed:</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> file /usr/share/man/en from install of
filesystem-3.0-18.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
man-pages-3.58-1.noarch</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> file /usr/share/man/it from install of
filesystem-3.0-18.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
man-pages-it-2.80-9.noarch</tt><tt><br>
</tt><tt> file /usr/lib64/libxkbcommon-x11.so.0.0.0 from
install of lib64xkbcommon-x11_0-0.6.1-1.x86_64 conflicts with
file from package lib64xkbcommon-x110-0.4.2-3.x86_64</tt><br>
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<p><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span>I
think</span> <span>there will be</span> some <span>work to
do</span><br>
<span class="">Accept</span> <span class="">advice</span></span></p>
<p><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span
class=""><br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
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