[om-council] Meeting today?

Jean-Claude Vanier jclvanier at gmail.com
Thu May 12 19:07:37 EDT 2016


Since the discussion has opened, I'll try to summarize the situation
as I can see it:
-- we have testers but not enough devs to fix the bugs
-- fixing the bugs are crucial / essential /  inescapable in our development
-- some of the bugs are related to package compatibilities that can be
simply fixed by updates
-- there are some requests for updates too
-- the updates can be done by putting the sources somewhere in the build system
-- probably this is not to complicated to achieve in most cases if:
  - we have an account in the build system
  - we know where to put the sources
  - we know how to modify / reuse the spec file, eventually
-- people who wants to help in that field should start to learn how to
perform simple tasks like how to build a rpm

If I'm not completely wrong, we could establish a special abf
beginners team. The members of that team could help each other to find
what is required to get started and build their own doc (wiki?) and
have their own channel (irc, ML) to discuss the issues encountered.
Personally, I don't know too much in that field, but I can start to
learn and help the team to begin.



2016-05-12 22:54 GMT+02:00 rugyada <rugyada at gmail.com>:
> Hello,
>
> Yep, I raised the issue because of realizing that some people, well
> known and contributors already in other fields - so you can bet they
> are not pop-up-and-vanish guys, incidentally - wished to start in help
> with packaging, or at least to try and see if they are able to do.
>
> Instead of being glad and see it as a surplus value, they had to face
> the RTFM attitude, or closed minds (when not silly arrogance),
> ignored, and so on.
> Re the F** manual it's hard to find it, when ever available.
>
> Given for grant that developers' time is precious, in my opinion it
> should be seen as a time investment whose fruits will be produced only
> with the time.
>
> That's all folks.
>
> Disclaimer: I've no merit nor skills to discuss the topic, if not by
> common sense to see the issue and report it. However I can witness the
> MIB experience, where each newcomer was supported and mentored by an
> expert packager since the beginning. Until he was able to walk with
> his own legs and sometimes to surpass the master ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> 2016-05-12 17:53 GMT+02:00 Kate Lebedeff <kate at lebedeff.co.uk>:
>> It is in agenda for next TC, you and Cristina as speakers:)
>>
>> https://project.openmandriva.org/meetings/63
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12May, 2016, at 15:37, Raphaël Jadot <rj at hodo.fr> wrote:
>>
>> Let's put it for next W :)
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile
>>
>> 12.05.2016, 14:24, "Kate Lebedeff" <kate at lebedeff.co.uk>:
>>
>>
>> Hi Raph
>>
>> Important topic, imo is for TC, where we have target audience
>>
>> Shall i put it for next week's Wednesday agenda?
>> Or you wish to start it today with council?
>>
>>
>>  On 12.05.2016, at 14:20, Raphaël Jadot <rj at hodo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>  Yes but i'm not sure i'll be connected on time. And maybe it's more a TC
>> topic, but we really lack for mentors and people who can help beginners (at
>> least in packaging skills) being involved. It's a hard situation where
>> developers feels alone and would need help, but people interested in
>> providing help face a wall of complexity (and even do not know from where to
>> start, don't have the required knowledge, don't know which documentation is
>> good…)
>>
>>  Cristina raised the issue sooner in mailing lists but there was no reply.
>>
>>  We may not find a solution but I feel a necessity to talk about this.
>>
>>  --
>>  Sent from Yandex.Mail for mobile
>>
>>  12.05.2016, 10:49, "Kate Lebedeff" <kate at lebedeff.co.uk>:
>>
>>
>>  Hi!
>>
>>  Anybody has agenda items for today?
>>
>>  Cheers



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