[OM Cooker] [om-qa] Question about OM Lx 3 Beta1 desktops?

Ben Bullard benbullard79 at cox.net
Tue Apr 26 15:24:43 EDT 2016


Yes, OK, good to know I suppose. But not at all what I'm talking about. 
This is about getting a release done and the quality of our product.

I'm talking about us as an association putting out .iso's to the general 
public with desktops that don't work. I can understand having the 
Wayland stuff in repos for more technically sophisticated users to work 
with.

I don't understand putting stuff on the sddm login page that doesn't 
work for most or maybe any of us. _And I am proposing a__n alternative 
as well_.

Also with an eye to getting a release actually done I don't think we 
have the time or resources to try to get the Wayland stuff or other 
desktops to work _at this time_.

Note: Am proposing removing from sddm login page not only Wayland stuff 
but also the to me the rather useless "Failsafe X" and "Plasma Media 
Center". Am proposing replacing them with the known to work and rarely 
break IceWM desktop. For merely a command line interface as I pointed 
out there are virtual terminals, recovery mode, and boot as single user. 
Unless I'm mistaken that could also lighten up the .iso.

Also proposing a change - instead of one .iso with both Plasma5 and 
LXQt, AND all that other stuff - we do an .iso with only Plasma5 and IceWM.

If time and resources allow it would be great for users of older and/or 
less powerful hardware to also have an .iso with only LXQt and IceWM. 
For users of older less powerful hardware it isn't useful to have to 
install Plasma5 and LXQt together. Indeed for some it may not even work.

In this scenario users of older or less powerful hardware are better 
supported. Also all users may install whatever other desktops we have in 
repos and play or use to their hearts content.

To anyone that doesn't already know IceWM is a _really_ lightweight 
desktop. It makes lxde, xfce, and lxqt look like gargantuan hogs. It is 
so lightweight that many distros have and do include it along with any 
other desktop install. openSUSE does, I think Fedora does, Mandriva did, 
I think Mandrake did.

Ben Bullard
ben79
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OpenMandriva-QA Team

On 04/26/2016 01:07 PM, Colin Close wrote:
> Ben,
> I had plasma running under x-wayland ok on a Radeon R600 equipped box and it worked ok.
> I have to confess though that I set the whole thing up by hand from the command line but potentially it works.
> Best,
> Colin
>
> On Tuesday 26 Apr 2016 11:13:45 Ben Bullard wrote:
>> 1. Something in our Beta1 Bog post has me confused.
>>
>> "KDE Plasma 5 now runs under the Wayland graphical server which offers
>> smooth and fast graphical rendering. This configuration is
>> experimental." On my computers Plasma/Wayland doesn't work at all. I get
>> black screen with mouse cursor. Does Plasma/Wayland work for other
>> users? Is this something we should be filing bugs about? I will grant
>> that it is "smooth and fast graphical rendering" at getting to black
>> screen...
>>
>> 2. Openbox desktop works the same, ie. black screen with mouse cursor.
>>
>> 3. Plasma Media Center. What is it? How is it different from Plasma?
>> Here they seem identical.
>>
>> 4. Failsafe X seems only to open at top left of sddm login screen a
>> miniature terminal which is no more useful than a virtual terminal or
>> recovery mode.
>>
>>
>> If I had a vote I'd get rid of all 4 of the above and include IceWM.
>> This would also help get us to a GA release faster. I would also not
>> include LXQt and Plasma together. I'd have 2 separate .iso's one with
>> Plasma5 and IceWM and the other with LXQt and IceWM. *Yep, that's it,
>> that's the ticket, that's what I'd do!:-D*
>>
>>
>
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