[om-council] i586

Kate Lebedeff kate at lebedeff.co.uk
Mon Apr 25 06:15:49 EDT 2016


Mmmm, i586 is normally needed by the users with lowest income:(

Tomek, how many people “full time” so to say we’d need to maintain i586?

If new volunteers?



> On 25Apr, 2016, at 12:05, Tomasz Gajc <tpgxyz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Fedora droped ix86 support in august 2015. Maybe introducing "pay per support" feature would change minds ?
> 
> 
> 2016-04-25 11:30 GMT+02:00 Kate Lebedeff <kate at lebedeff.co.uk <mailto:kate at lebedeff.co.uk>>:
> What do you think guys and gal, when is the right time to raise i586 topic?
> 
> Imo we should make it clear that we simply lack resources. We _do_wish_ to continue support, but then we need XX volunteers with YY skills and call for them to join.
> Unless it happens till ZZ time - we drop support
> 
> There is a disadvantage here. If volunteers do not come - this will be all bad PR for us
> 
> 
> 
> > On 23Apr, 2016, at 12:23, rugyada <rugyada at gmail.com <mailto:rugyada at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > 2016-04-23 1:10 GMT+02:00 Bernhard Rosenkraenzer <bero at lindev.ch <mailto:bero at lindev.ch>>:
> >>
> >> At the same time, we haven't been able to pull in many new contributors to
> >> take their places. I think that's because we're invisible to the outside
> >> world, and most people don't want to work on something nobody uses.
> >>
> >
> > This is the point I wish to stress.
> > Timing matters. Or we're ready with OM3 tomorrow, or without support
> > or refresh/respin for OM2 the risk is to disappear.
> > From PR (**my field**) POV OMLx2 respin release could do the trick for
> > increasing (better: getting again) the buzz around our project.
> >
> >
> >> And to make things worse, this sort of thing is a self-amplifying problem:
> >> We have less manpower, but at the same time people expect us to do more and
> >> more (this isn't meant as an attack as people who have been calling on us to
> >> do more - but how can we, despite a small and shrinking team, ramp up our
> >> efforts and: support another CPU type, keep supporting an old release, add
> >> another desktop, ...?)
> >> This doesn't exactly help, and being screamed at when saying we won't do
> >> something doesn't exactly help keep people motivated. (With the "screamed
> >> at", I'm not talking about people here doing the screaming - but some people
> >> on mailing lists don't really understand why we won't commit to doing some
> >> things that they thought made Mandrake great back in its days).
> >>
> >
> > Imho we need to be clear and not to be ashamed to say we're a small team.
> > As said before we should be proud of our really great work even in
> > such hard condition.
> >
> > Another thing: be decisive! Strong in our positions.
> > If we as a project/team agreed on taking any decision, then it's like
> > that. Because we discussed it, considered every option, and ended to
> > that outcome and no other - until/unless the situation gets better.
> >
> > Do you """want""" a f... support for i586? Move your bottoms and contribute!
> > Do you """need""" this or that? Be ready to join and help!
> >
> > We have a saying here, telling "Armiamoci e partite" I cannot find the
> > translation in English, you can read it like a person exhorting his
> > soldiers to pick the weapons and prepare for the battle together, but
> > then: they will leave for the war and he remains at home peacefully :P
> >
> > This is to say that [quoting JCL] who does, decides.
> > It's nice and wise to listen to community, yes, but we are not paid
> > employees, we are free to decide what to do and what we *cannot* do.
> > Or also what we simply don't like to do.
> > It could avoid some burnout too.
> > I'd rather say also if/when time of decisions about anything will
> > come, keep an eye on our own interest, that is on what may be/become
> > source of some money/support/whatever (you got what I mean) for the
> > present and in perspective for our future.
> >
> > Sorry if this may look kind of drastic, but it's matter of survival :)
> > Keep calm and take it easy. it's ready when it's ready.
> >
> > Let's make our things without any rush, let's take our time to do the
> > things we like the way we like because we do it for our fun and
> > enjoyment.
> > Otherwise people are going to lose their motivation and say Goodbye!.
> > Often they don't say goodbye even... :)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Best regards,
> > Cristina
> >
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