[om-council] i586

Alexander Stefanov-Khryukin nobodydead at gmail.com
Mon Apr 25 07:25:56 EDT 2016


>We _do_wish_ to continue support

No reason to keep i586, i even don't seen 32-bit intel cpu's 5 years and i
don't know who still using it.

2016-04-25 13:26 GMT+03:00 Kate Lebedeff <kate at lebedeff.co.uk>:

> I am not defending i586:)
>
> looking for a neat way out or extra hands to keep it
>
>
>
>
> On 25Apr, 2016, at 12:22, Tomasz Gajc <tpgxyz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> People with low income, buys Raspberry Pi 0,1 or 2
>
> See only 5$ for a working computer
> http://www.microcenter.com/product/457746/Raspberry_Pi_Zero
>
> 2016-04-25 12:15 GMT+02:00 Kate Lebedeff <kate at lebedeff.co.uk>:
>
>> Mmmm, i586 is normally needed by the users with lowest income:(
>>
>> Tomek, how many people “full time” so to say we’d need to maintain i586?
>>
>> If new volunteers?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25Apr, 2016, at 12:05, Tomasz Gajc <tpgxyz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fedora droped ix86 support in august 2015. Maybe introducing "pay per
>> support" feature would change minds ?
>>
>>
>> 2016-04-25 11:30 GMT+02:00 Kate Lebedeff <kate at lebedeff.co.uk>:
>>
>>> What do you think guys and gal, when is the right time to raise i586
>>> topic?
>>>
>>> Imo we should make it clear that we simply lack resources. We _do_wish_
>>> to continue support, but then we need XX volunteers with YY skills and call
>>> for them to join.
>>> Unless it happens till ZZ time - we drop support
>>>
>>> There is a disadvantage here. If volunteers do not come - this will be
>>> all bad PR for us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 23Apr, 2016, at 12:23, rugyada <rugyada at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 2016-04-23 1:10 GMT+02:00 Bernhard Rosenkraenzer <bero at lindev.ch>:
>>> >>
>>> >> At the same time, we haven't been able to pull in many new
>>> contributors to
>>> >> take their places. I think that's because we're invisible to the
>>> outside
>>> >> world, and most people don't want to work on something nobody uses.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > This is the point I wish to stress.
>>> > Timing matters. Or we're ready with OM3 tomorrow, or without support
>>> > or refresh/respin for OM2 the risk is to disappear.
>>> > From PR (**my field**) POV OMLx2 respin release could do the trick for
>>> > increasing (better: getting again) the buzz around our project.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> And to make things worse, this sort of thing is a self-amplifying
>>> problem:
>>> >> We have less manpower, but at the same time people expect us to do
>>> more and
>>> >> more (this isn't meant as an attack as people who have been calling
>>> on us to
>>> >> do more - but how can we, despite a small and shrinking team, ramp up
>>> our
>>> >> efforts and: support another CPU type, keep supporting an old
>>> release, add
>>> >> another desktop, ...?)
>>> >> This doesn't exactly help, and being screamed at when saying we won't
>>> do
>>> >> something doesn't exactly help keep people motivated. (With the
>>> "screamed
>>> >> at", I'm not talking about people here doing the screaming - but some
>>> people
>>> >> on mailing lists don't really understand why we won't commit to doing
>>> some
>>> >> things that they thought made Mandrake great back in its days).
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Imho we need to be clear and not to be ashamed to say we're a small
>>> team.
>>> > As said before we should be proud of our really great work even in
>>> > such hard condition.
>>> >
>>> > Another thing: be decisive! Strong in our positions.
>>> > If we as a project/team agreed on taking any decision, then it's like
>>> > that. Because we discussed it, considered every option, and ended to
>>> > that outcome and no other - until/unless the situation gets better.
>>> >
>>> > Do you """want""" a f... support for i586? Move your bottoms and
>>> contribute!
>>> > Do you """need""" this or that? Be ready to join and help!
>>> >
>>> > We have a saying here, telling "Armiamoci e partite" I cannot find the
>>> > translation in English, you can read it like a person exhorting his
>>> > soldiers to pick the weapons and prepare for the battle together, but
>>> > then: they will leave for the war and he remains at home peacefully :P
>>> >
>>> > This is to say that [quoting JCL] who does, decides.
>>> > It's nice and wise to listen to community, yes, but we are not paid
>>> > employees, we are free to decide what to do and what we *cannot* do.
>>> > Or also what we simply don't like to do.
>>> > It could avoid some burnout too.
>>> > I'd rather say also if/when time of decisions about anything will
>>> > come, keep an eye on our own interest, that is on what may be/become
>>> > source of some money/support/whatever (you got what I mean) for the
>>> > present and in perspective for our future.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry if this may look kind of drastic, but it's matter of survival :)
>>> > Keep calm and take it easy. it's ready when it's ready.
>>> >
>>> > Let's make our things without any rush, let's take our time to do the
>>> > things we like the way we like because we do it for our fun and
>>> > enjoyment.
>>> > Otherwise people are going to lose their motivation and say Goodbye!.
>>> > Often they don't say goodbye even... :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > ____________________
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Cristina
>>> >
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