<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Blacky...... or are you WoBo? Dont you remember we had a long discussion ago? (by the way, all mails you have send in our conversations are still kept)<br></div>Blacky..... the Internet means you have the Choice... you name yourself BlackCrack, i have a thouthand nick names but all point to the same one, thats me.<br></div>Blacky, Server usage means NO GUI !!!!! Because real Server Guys dont need it, they use the "black Box named Console Window" because the smaller a server is, the faster an safer it works..... a GUI is for Desktop or other usage but never for a Server. All Folks who need a GUI on their Server are in my opinion those with the "Windows thinking" in their mind.....<br></div>Blacky, do us all a favour..... KDE is since a while "Microsoft"..... and no more free, the latest free KDE had been 3.17 since that it is Windows.. have a look how Windows looks like..... dont you see the truth?? its kinda KDE.... and you who so muuuuuuch fight for Linux are a Microsoft KDE friend? Well up to you.<br></div>I hope now it should be clear that i am the one who offered OM and even Kate  a few times a clean stable safe rpm supporting Core System, Yes, Blacky, this is me.....<br><br></div>Blacky, if you want a Server, get CentOS downloaded, this is nearly Mandrake..... but a Server and NOT ! a Desktop... see the difference?<br></div>There is a reason for different Releases, Server based and Desktop based..... To tell you again Blacky i am a Core Networking and Server Guy and LEFT !!! OpenMandriva because of Idi*** allways speaking "we are the best but need years for a safe clean Release".... i need about 2 weeks for a brand new Linux Hybrid.... whom speaks RPM Alien PKG and more (Alien = Debian)<br><br></div>Blacky.. have a good new year<br><br></div>To all others on OM... post your Problems here and i read them, if i can support, i do, but i dont build your RPMs..... get the SOurces there where they allways came from.. LFS or more easy GENTOO !!! This is the Mother of Linux Folks.....<br><br><br></div>Best Regards<br></div>Joerg ( aka a thouthand other nicknames)<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-31 13:34 GMT+01:00 Blackcrack <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:blackcrack@blackysgate.de" target="_blank">blackcrack@blackysgate.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    well, interesting, sender, Andreas Schneider and you sign it with
    joerg<br>
    <br>
    and the mailadress <a href="mailto:dajudge61@gmail.com" target="_blank">"dajudge61@gmail.com"</a> is the
    one where had make very trouble<br>
    in the last years with me.. and setting up movies in the brain.. <br>
    <br>
    only for the others to get a hint  ..<br>
    <br>
    because the GTK and the theme .. well, it's maybe better to leave
    the kde in orginal-theme<br>
    to able the user for use his own theme .. and, it should start the
    default kde panel, <br>
    because in the last Beta-iso was no panel behind install, it should
    be the orignal taskpanel<br>
    <br>
    an "Original OpenMandriva" theme it's maybe nice, also nice to
    choice ,<br>
    but it's also a nice thing, if all in the original from the
    programmers<br>
    and the User can choice , what he want .. .. imho, a button on the
    desktop "I be an OMLx-Theme-lover"<br>
    and the User have the choice to klick it and make all to a dark
    look, which relaxes the eyes ,<br>
    also in the Serverrooms .. ;) And the Peoples in the Office's, so
    the 2nd choice to use OMLx <br>
    have the Original theme and can easy delete the button and can just
    work fine <br>
    with the Original-Theme of KDE and the Admins or the Other Peoples
    can use the Factory-theme <br>
    if one exist on the original well working Kde -without many
    modifications ...<br>
    therewith it is also more easyer to make a fully "branding one
    rpm-package" <br>
    with an branding by install of this OMLx- rpm or not install this
    rpm to have a clean well running Distribution.<br>
    The Peoples should have an Choice , what they are want using and
    branding .<br>
    Or have easy a clean Linux from an well and Clean good  Distribution
    and <br>
    convinced that it is possible to get clean original packages
    directly from the sourcecodes of kde .<br>
    If this convinced will, I think, likely to be used as a reliable
    Server software.<br>
    Less customizing, more clean and original and therewith more secure
    <br>
    and stable in thinking from the part of the software i guess what
    the peoples think. <br>
    <br>
    this is my opinion also my belief .<br>
    because more change in the software, more errors creep in<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    happy new year to the OMLX Communiy<br>
    i have service in the hours of new year ..and have a view over
    Stuttgart ad the Airport, <br>
    well, let see the Fireworks :) well, but maybe can i be online with
    my android-phone :)<br>
    <a href="http://beetmobile.com/" target="_blank">http://beetmobile.com/</a><br>
    <br>
    best regards<br>
    Blacky<br>
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    <div>Am 31.12.2015 um 10:54 schrieb Andreas
      Schneider:<br>
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                      in generell, GTK2-3 became kinda "tricky"......
                      its up to you to decide KDE without GTK or Gnome
                      with QT or Gnome LXDE/XFCE with GTK.<br>
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                    The trend is Gnome = more QT same as KDE<br>
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                  For me gnome bindings-GTK are the best solution
                  because it works, smoothy, faster, smaller.... and
                  X-Apps and G-Apps work there<br>
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                If you like, want and need 3D, MESA and other Desktop
                "playfull" things use KDE.<br>
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              I am out on KDE, support gnome a few but a clean LXDE and
              XFCE User......<br>
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            Those who know and understand have the choice.<br>
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          <div>In generell GTK is moving away from the "Idea" of
            gnome...... I bet it will become more incompatible in
            future, we will see.....<br>
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          Regards, have fun and hopefully a great successful year 2016<br>
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        <div>Maybe........ it will be a good Idea to have again a look
          at the Gentoo LiveDVD ... doing a Fork and use the old Scripts
          of Gael and have the most powerful System then.... never
          forget where Geal had his Sources from ;) Why to invent the
          wheel new when there is a wonderfull working DVD whom could
          look other (MDK) and supports RPM with a few steps ;) It could
          work if you want !<br>
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                              GMT+01:00 Robert Xu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:robxu9@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:robxu9@gmail.com" target="_blank">robxu9@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                                  we migrate from gnome-breeze to
                                  Breeze-gtk if Breeze-gtk is more
                                  insufficient?</p>
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                                  2:11 p.m., "Robert Xu" <<a href="mailto:robxu9@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:robxu9@gmail.com" target="_blank">robxu9@gmail.com</a>>

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                                          13:36, "Ben Bullard" <<a href="mailto:benbullard79@cox.net" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:benbullard79@cox.net" target="_blank">benbullard79@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                                              <div>On 12/30/2015 07:39
                                                AM, Chris Tanner wrote:<br>
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                                              <blockquote type="cite">I agree with
                                                this. Indeed with
                                                Breeze-Dark, some GTK
                                                applications are almost
                                                useless. <br>
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                                                Regards, <br>
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                                                Tomasz Gajc wrote: <br>
                                                <blockquote type="cite">Hi, <br>
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                                                  looks like Breeze-Dark
                                                  theme for Plasma is
                                                  not yet ready to be
                                                  used on daily basis. <br>
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                                                  Please see this bug
                                                  report: <br>
                                                  <a href="https://issues.openmandriva.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1432" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://issues.openmandriva.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1432" target="_blank">https://issues.openmandriva.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1432</a>
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                                                  In a brief, this theme
                                                  does not looks nice in
                                                  GTK apps either. <br>
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                                                  My proposition is to
                                                  get back to plain
                                                  Breeze theme. Wdyt ? <br>
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