<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I am not defending i586:)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">looking for a neat way out or extra hands to keep it</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 25Apr, 2016, at 12:22, Tomasz Gajc <<a href="mailto:tpgxyz@gmail.com" class="">tpgxyz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">People with low income, buys Raspberry Pi 0,1 or 2<br class=""><br class=""></div>See only 5$ for a working computer<br class=""><a href="http://www.microcenter.com/product/457746/Raspberry_Pi_Zero" class="">http://www.microcenter.com/product/457746/Raspberry_Pi_Zero</a><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-25 12:15 GMT+02:00 Kate Lebedeff <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:kate@lebedeff.co.uk" target="_blank" class="">kate@lebedeff.co.uk</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Mmmm, i586 is normally needed by the users with lowest income:(<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tomek, how many people “full time” so to say we’d need to maintain i586?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If new volunteers?</div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 25Apr, 2016, at 12:05, Tomasz Gajc <<a href="mailto:tpgxyz@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">tpgxyz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Fedora droped ix86 support in august 2015. Maybe introducing "pay per support" feature would change minds ?<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-25 11:30 GMT+02:00 Kate Lebedeff <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:kate@lebedeff.co.uk" target="_blank" class="">kate@lebedeff.co.uk</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">What do you think guys and gal, when is the right time to raise i586 topic?<br class="">
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Imo we should make it clear that we simply lack resources. We _do_wish_ to continue support, but then we need XX volunteers with YY skills and call for them to join.<br class="">
Unless it happens till ZZ time - we drop support<br class="">
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There is a disadvantage here. If volunteers do not come - this will be all bad PR for us<br class="">
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> On 23Apr, 2016, at 12:23, rugyada <<a href="mailto:rugyada@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">rugyada@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> 2016-04-23 1:10 GMT+02:00 Bernhard Rosenkraenzer <<a href="mailto:bero@lindev.ch" target="_blank" class="">bero@lindev.ch</a>>:<br class="">
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>> At the same time, we haven't been able to pull in many new contributors to<br class="">
>> take their places. I think that's because we're invisible to the outside<br class="">
>> world, and most people don't want to work on something nobody uses.<br class="">
>><br class="">
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> This is the point I wish to stress.<br class="">
> Timing matters. Or we're ready with OM3 tomorrow, or without support<br class="">
> or refresh/respin for OM2 the risk is to disappear.<br class="">
> From PR (**my field**) POV OMLx2 respin release could do the trick for<br class="">
> increasing (better: getting again) the buzz around our project.<br class="">
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>> And to make things worse, this sort of thing is a self-amplifying problem:<br class="">
>> We have less manpower, but at the same time people expect us to do more and<br class="">
>> more (this isn't meant as an attack as people who have been calling on us to<br class="">
>> do more - but how can we, despite a small and shrinking team, ramp up our<br class="">
>> efforts and: support another CPU type, keep supporting an old release, add<br class="">
>> another desktop, ...?)<br class="">
>> This doesn't exactly help, and being screamed at when saying we won't do<br class="">
>> something doesn't exactly help keep people motivated. (With the "screamed<br class="">
>> at", I'm not talking about people here doing the screaming - but some people<br class="">
>> on mailing lists don't really understand why we won't commit to doing some<br class="">
>> things that they thought made Mandrake great back in its days).<br class="">
>><br class="">
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> Imho we need to be clear and not to be ashamed to say we're a small team.<br class="">
> As said before we should be proud of our really great work even in<br class="">
> such hard condition.<br class="">
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> Another thing: be decisive! Strong in our positions.<br class="">
> If we as a project/team agreed on taking any decision, then it's like<br class="">
> that. Because we discussed it, considered every option, and ended to<br class="">
> that outcome and no other - until/unless the situation gets better.<br class="">
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> Do you """want""" a f... support for i586? Move your bottoms and contribute!<br class="">
> Do you """need""" this or that? Be ready to join and help!<br class="">
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> We have a saying here, telling "Armiamoci e partite" I cannot find the<br class="">
> translation in English, you can read it like a person exhorting his<br class="">
> soldiers to pick the weapons and prepare for the battle together, but<br class="">
> then: they will leave for the war and he remains at home peacefully :P<br class="">
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> This is to say that [quoting JCL] who does, decides.<br class="">
> It's nice and wise to listen to community, yes, but we are not paid<br class="">
> employees, we are free to decide what to do and what we *cannot* do.<br class="">
> Or also what we simply don't like to do.<br class="">
> It could avoid some burnout too.<br class="">
> I'd rather say also if/when time of decisions about anything will<br class="">
> come, keep an eye on our own interest, that is on what may be/become<br class="">
> source of some money/support/whatever (you got what I mean) for the<br class="">
> present and in perspective for our future.<br class="">
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> Sorry if this may look kind of drastic, but it's matter of survival :)<br class="">
> Keep calm and take it easy. it's ready when it's ready.<br class="">
><br class="">
> Let's make our things without any rush, let's take our time to do the<br class="">
> things we like the way we like because we do it for our fun and<br class="">
> enjoyment.<br class="">
> Otherwise people are going to lose their motivation and say Goodbye!.<br class="">
> Often they don't say goodbye even... :)<br class="">
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> Best regards,<br class="">
> Cristina<br class="">
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